Thursday, June 18, 2009
Something is stirring....
Lemme 'splain.
I'm here having lunch with my trusty new Notebook computer open, and I just finished a homework assignment for one of my MBA classes. The other assignment I wanted to work on requires me to watch a Youtube video which their network won't allow me to access (probably wise on their part to restrict certain things in this VERY public location).
The point is - I feel something stirring within me, as if God is preparing me for new and exciting things. I still can't quite explain why I'm back in school - studying BUSINESS of all things. But, though I see through a glass, darkly, I believe things will get clearer as we get closer to our goal. As I've written before, in these posts and elsewhere, I still can't explain why we don't "belong" in vocational ministry somewhere - but I know that we just aren't supposed to be there right now. So what is a fellow with a B.A. in Biblial Languages supposed to do to feed his family? Should I stand on the corner wearing a sign that says, "Will parse Greek verbs for food" - ????? Nope.
The fact is, I work in an office setting. The stranger fact is, I'm good at it! How could that be - especially in light of the fact that I truly belive that I am called to the ministry? Well - for starters, I know that God has a plan for me, for us, for my family. He hasn't left us high and dry yet, and I know that He won't - despite my failures and my profound ability to make masses of things. The second thing is, I always have to remember to ask - what does "the ministry" look like? I love people - that's a topic for another day I s'pose. Ministry, of course doesn't involve working at a church or "christian" organization. However, I do feel ultimately called to that sort of thing - but perhaps in a different context. It's all quite fuzzy still. But I believe that in the near future, full-time vocational ministry will be the "exception" but not the rule- particularly in the U.S. This goes to my belief about the church in North America - get ready for some toe-stepping folks. Two things:
First, I really, truly believe that the church is in transition. Basically, I think we're really good at having meetings - but we're notso great at meeting people where they are "at" (bad grammar alert). I was excited to talk to a dear friend (and my former pastor) regarding their church's transition from the "traditional" model of having lots of meetings, to a small-group structure that seems to be taking root. Again - this obviates the point that by and large, the church is in transition - from having meetings, to reaching people where they live. Don't get me wrong - there's still a need for corporate worship - but by and large, the people aren't coming in droves just to attend one of our "meetings" - which are generally designed "by us, for us" - those of us who are already "In" so to speak.
Secondly, I firmly believe that churches who don't face the facts and do something to change in this regard are going to become irrelevant - soon, if they aren't already. (Ouch!) How can you say that, Steve? Well - look around! Are we reaching the next generation? Not only are they not even coming through the door, but what if our ultimate goal is to actually disciple people? In most cases (not all, but most) - our goal has been to somehow get them through the door, and down front mumbling "the prayer" at one of our "meetings." But, what if the goal is to help them become Jesus-like? Are we doing the job? Are we anywhere close? With little exception - in my opinion, nope.
But we do have some really great meetings,... don't we?
I'll probably regret posting this later.
Sunday, November 23, 2008
Busy, busy...
We had a great service today - for me. I was very touched because someone I respect shared about his own tendency to be a people-pleaser. Then I got convicted. The Lord has dealt with me on this issue before - I usually refer to it as either the need to be "liked" by everyone - or the need to "perform" - not necessarily to excel at things - but leave my mark. I continue to be the class clown in certain groups, which can be both bad and good, I guess since I have the ability to loosen people up at times and get them involved. I also have trouble saying "no" - and find myself doing things or being involved in things not because I should - but because I feel that I would be letting others down if I don't.
Today though, it kind of hit me. People pleaser..... Where does that come from?
Growing up I had no real problem getting along in my family. I got plenty of attention. Why would I feel the need to get attention or to have others like me or accept me? Where does that insecurity come from? One thing I have found is that there is an INVERSE relationship between my busy-ness and my relationship with the Lord. So, I'm in process right now - rethinking this whole thing in my life, which is a healthy thing. I thank the Lord that he continues to remind me that my relationship with Him is the most important thing - not all the stuff I do in His name, or even serving His people that can be a distraction. Like I said, I'm in process - and this afternoon I'm on my way to: Play practice for the childrens' choir, youth worship team practice, preparing for a skit(practice) that we're going to do tonight at a children's event where the youth worship team will be leading two songs........ but first I'm gonna take a nap!
Monday, September 29, 2008
Under deconstruction...
Where to begin? I heard a message recently on a Focus on the Family broadcast featuring a chapel address from Dennis Prager, a radio talkshow host I used to enjoy listening to in So. Cal on KABC. (He's not there anymore - now he's here). In the broadcast, Mr. Prager (an Orthodox Jew) spoke about the sanctity of marriage - being a union between a man and a woman) and what the current climate of change in this area means for our society. I strongly urge everyone to have a listen. It is well worth the 45 minutes or so of your time.
There is one statement that stuck out to me, and it really didn't have much to do with the topic, but I want to share it here because I believe it is important, and it is important for me on my personal journey. The statement was this - rather the question was this: What did God do on the second day of creation? Answer: He SEPARATED. (sea from dry land, etc...) The hebrew word in the passage is Kadosh - which is more frequently translated HOLY. Hence, separate, or set apart. This concept should be nothing new to many of us who have sat in church lo these many long years, but it struck me in such a way, that I got all teary-eyed. I believe God wanted to remind me of what my life, and our lives - what the life of the church is and should be all about.
- Holiness = being separated unto God, set aside for a specific purpose or use.
What does true Holiness look like? I dunno! I do however think the church has done a rotten job as an example to our society. We define ourselves too often by the things we "don't" do rather than who we are. When we do talk about holiness and separateness in the church today, there is almost a fear in our eyes that if we get too close to real sinners we might somehow get our hands dirty or something. What did Jesus have to say about this? Didn't he say it wasn't the healthy who needed a doctor, but the infirm? (Mt. 9:12) He was called a glutton and a drunkard - spent time talking with prostitutes and tax collectors and lepers.....
We fall FAR short of Jesus' example of being set apart for our true purpose:
- Today, the church is separated unto God - on Sundays.
- We have meetings, and we call it "serving God".
- We do things 'for God" that are By Us, For Us - and call it worship.
- If things didn't quite go right in our services, we get all bummed.
- If people are critical about certain aspects of our "services" we "correct" our mistakes and do our best to "get it right" the next time we meet.
I have been caught up in ALL of that! I am GUILTY as charged! What I am not - is Holy.
*like I said. This post may seem a little garbled.More to come...
Thursday, September 25, 2008
Just a quickie...
TTFN
Monday, September 15, 2008
Soggy bottom alert...

Friday, July 4, 2008
Toe-stepping time!
I am still formulating my belief's and opinions on this topic and I hope this will start some meaningful discussion. Let me start with a little background - on myself, just to let you know where I am coming from so that I won't be accused of either being defensive or biased (which we all are to a degree if we'll just admit it!)
I grew up in a ministry family - my mom was a full-time, licensed C.E./Children's pastor, my uncle served on the mission field in Central America, I spent a great deal of time during my adolescence doing ministry with outreach teams in Mexico (all over Mexico!). I went from High School to Bible College where I majored in Biblical Languages, then I went to Fuller Seminary (I lack 5 classes for my Master's. My whole goal in life has always been ministry - pastoring, church staff ministry, and Teaching at a Bible College or institute.
I have been leading worship and teaching since I was in high school. My first real foray into ministry was leading worship and being on the "team" for a successful church planting venture while I was still a senior in High School. I had a great mentor. I then spent several years in full-time ministry as a youth pastor, then bi-vocational ministry while at Seminary. Our family then moved and we pastored for a couple of years (it was disastrous!). After that we served on staff again for a year or so - then we were dumped! (I won't give any details - but let's just say I wasn't the first and certainly not the last casualty under that particular ministry/senior pastor).
Soo, I now find myself in the Mid-West rethinking the whole role of the institutional church and where I fit in as a servant to the body of Christ.
I am not responding to any particular post, book or blogsite, but rather to my personal sense that the pendulum shouldn't swing too far in the direction that it is currently headed. Let me just say that I could fill several lines with links to references from just a handful of bloggers, book reviews and articles to prove my point. Here I choose not to make it personal against any particular author or post, just suffice it to say, I am not angry about anything, nor am I offended - I am just concerned. Also, my opinions and observations are not directed toward any specific church or pastor - My former church (JAG) is a GREAT church, with a GREAT PASTOR! I now attend another great church with a great pastoral team and awesome ministries for the whole family. That being said, here goes.
My first point (yes, that was a long intro.....):
There are many different formats and forums where "the church" can flourish - house churches for one. In our society there is a growing need for people to connect in a meaningful way. As an aside, one thing that drew our family to LARGER churches in the past was our need to feel "safe" and insulated from people because we were wounded in ministry. (This was both wrong and a temporary solution to a very real problem we had to work out in ourselves.)
In my experience there is also something very meaningful about coming together as a larger representation of the body of Christ and gathering in celebration. That could explain why there are so many regional conferences popping up where smaller churches (and home-based fellowships) can come and worship collectively. There truly is something special that happens as we identify with the body of Christ at large.
My main point is that while we are in a state of flux, there are and will continue to be "successful" ministries across the spectrum. The whole goal should be to fulfill the Lord's commission to make disciples. There are people who get plugged-in through traditional ministries as well as through non-traditional formats. I believe it is a shame to completely discount the "traditional, institutional church" as totally irrelevant. True, there are many (like myself) who are screaming for reform from within the old structure. I believe we can find success - it is a worthy endeavor. Two of my heroes were just such figures - Erasmus, and Sir Thomas Moore. They were both contemporaries of, and mostly in agreement with many of Martin Luther's criticisms of the catholic Church of his day. But, they sought to reform the church from the inside-out (which would have saved much bloodshed). History tells us that they were successful to a degree - as was Luther - only many years later.
This new state of flux and need for reform we are currently experiencing shouldn't require bloodshed. (Although I have witnessed a few lively church-council meetings in my day). In a nutshell, there seems to be a bit of pride getting in the way between churches who have buildings vs' churches who choose not to have buildings. Also, (and to a lesser degree) churches with professional clergy vs' those whithout. There are arguments for and against both models.
Frankly, I am on neither side. I rejoice when I hear that one of the churches in town is growing to the point where they need more space. There is a limit to how many services you can hold in a given weekend - especially if you rely heavily on volunteers. I also relate to the church who chooses to meet on a Saturday evening at the park, play volleyball, cook bratz and sing together accompanied by acoustic guitars - awesome stuff! My beef is that there isn't a RIGHT way, or WRONG way to do church, as long as we are being obedient to what the Lord has called us to be and we aren't doing it out of rebellion or pride.
Any thoughts?
Thursday, July 3, 2008
Thoughts on burn-out prevention...


Monday, February 25, 2008
Still more thoughts on evangelism...

Tuesday, February 19, 2008
Thoughts on Evangelism...sort of...er, I guess...
I have never been one to stand on a street corner, or even openly “witness” as many other “Evangelists” I know do routinely. I wholeheartedly subscribe that it is our duty as Christ’s followers to fulfill the great commission and make disciples. However, I don’t always agree with current methodology, or many of the current measures of “success” that we evangelicals have put forth. At the risk of sounding downright cynical, (or liberal), I think we have really missed the point.
The apostle Paul certainly “persuaded” many (though usually in the context of a public forum) and none would argue that he achieved what we would consider “enviable results.” When he was intentionally un-persuasive, God confirmed his message through signs and wonders (c.f. 1 Cor.) However, I seriously doubt that the author of the very “Roman” road that we are taught in our evangelism 101 classes ever resorted to such canned methods. So what is the point? (I thought you’d never ask!)
Lately I have found myself questioning “our” (I mean the conservative evangelical community that we narrowly call the “church”) – I’ve been questioning “our”, definition of being “saved”, “getting saved” and the notion of the “salvation” experience as we currently accept it.
Before you freak out let me assure you that I am a firm believer in true, instantaneous “conversion” – salvation, by grace, through faith- I am in EVERY way an orthodox, evangelical Christian. However, I believe that our methods often fall short of this true conversion in my opinion.
We can all site myriad examples of people who “witness” 24-7, 365 and are very confrontational everywhere they go. While at the grocery check-out they ask – “have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?” Now, don’t get me wrong – I have always admired those who are so bold – but I don’t often see the fruit. On the contrary, in my journeys I have often (too many times to count!) had to clean up after these proverbial ‘bulls’ in the china shop. I have also witnessed what I would call “true” conversion during such clean-up efforts because I took the time to be real with folks.
My beef with the whole process is in how we define success. Too often while “witnessing” or “soul-winning” (my favorite term to make fun of) the goal is to simply win an argument – an unsolicited argument at that, on the part of the intended “soul” being “won”. If the argument is “won” and the soul in question assents, then you get to pray, the “sinners” prayer and “viola” - success, you now have a baby Christian on your hands. On to the next victim.
In church settings the goal is to get ‘em down front. That is “success” in our world. The question then is, How shall we then live? Isn’t there more to this life than praying the sinners’ prayer or going down front?
There will be more on this subject soon – if you don’t all string me up first. Bye for now…
I hope next time to define what success ought to be - here's a hint - there's something called "community" involved.
Sunday, January 20, 2008
And now for something completely different!

Sunday, October 7, 2007
A Fun Day for US!
For my west coast friends - yep' - it's a big ol' maze cut into a cornfield. You get to pay big money to go through it too! But hey - we had fun! Here's some pics.



Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Ah, I'm melting......

Sunday, July 15, 2007
We're Baaaaaaaaaa-aaaack!!!!!








Saturday, April 21, 2007
What is your word?
This got me thinking: Hmmmmmm.
Let's get personal with that. If I were to ask that question about myself what would it be? If I were to ask another person what comes to mind when you think about "Steve Oberg" what would that one word be? Quite candidly - I've got a few:
Chubby, Opinionated, "Consitently Inconsistant", Apathetic, Irreverent, procrastinating, cynical, self-serving, lazy, under-achiever...blah,blah,blah...
You get the idea. No, I'm not picking on myself - this is healthy self-examination. (sort of)
Truthfully, what would your list of possible one-word descriptors look like? Does your day-to-day behavior match up with your stated beliefs? Are there areas in your life where you need pruning so that you can grow more healthy? Do you ever think about it? Yes, it can be painful to be so honest, but many people just go through life day to day without ever thinking about who they really are or what they would like to become. Soooo, take some time and think about it for just one minute.

The truth is, this side of heaven there will always be a disconnect between how we would like to see ourselves and day-to-day reality. No, we aren't always at our worst, but for me at least - I am closer to my worst than my best most of the time. I'm a sinner. I'm in process. We all are. God isn't finished with us yet. I'm thankful every day for His grace and forgiveness.
As for my personal disconnect, I know what I would like to hear people say about me:
Faithful, Honest, Hard-working, Loyal, Integrous, Talented, Humorous, Thoughtful, Bold...
How about you? What is your word? (For yourself) What would you like for me to say about you in just one word.
Think about it. Be honest. It's good for you.
Friday, April 6, 2007
Thoughts on athiests and other unimportant stuff...
We can laugh about this now, especially in the post-modern world in which we live. Today that sign might read:
One of our favorite commedians put it this way - it's no longer in vogue to call yourself an athiest - instead you say, "I'm an agnostic, and you're stupid."
However unpopular, athiests still don't seem to be in such short supply .
In a recent article in Newsweek, Rabbi Marc Gelman (here) comments on a recent debate between Rick Warren (Pastor of Saddleback Community Church) and "Devout Athiest" (my term) Sam Harris on whether we can know that God is real. Dr. Gelman (in addition to being a trained Rabbi he holds a Ph.D. in Philosophy) says that the two are missing the point - that the existance or reality of God is a "Mystery" and is born out in how we live our lives. For him (if I understand the article correctly) not only is this the wrong question, but it is also unanswerable and completely subjective. He goes so far as to wish that Rick Warren could be less exclusive in his belief.
This (to me) is disturbing for at least a couple of reasons.
God's existance is not dependent upon my thoughts or feelings about him. To say that God may be real to one person in such and such a way, and not to another person and that's O.K., is to render God subject to OUR will and whim. If He is God - by nature He stands outside of creation - all of creation must be subject to Him. We seem to have this backwards. He is God whether or not I acknowledge Him.
As well, it would seem for Rabbi Gelman that, since he is so willing to let everyone have their cake and eat it too (just read the article) he may not be among those who would acknowledge the existance of a "real" God. I cannot in fairness speak for him - but his language (and inclusiveness) are strong clues. True, God's essence may be beyond our grasp. However, the question still stands: Does He or does He not exist? This may be a continuation of the previous point - but it bears repeating: He would exist - or not exist apart from my belief, if He is indeed God.
Thirdly - and this is a very common argument (read: worn-out and over-simplified). Can the true athiest even exist? An athiest by definition is one who believes that God does not exist. However, can he "prove" that God does not. He can appeal to nature (natural disasters, etc...). He can appeal to man's nature (his cruelty and such). He can appeal to logic - ("Is there impirical evidence that God does exist?"). These are all examples which would question the existence of a "just" God. True, they are good questions, but can the athiest "Prove" that God does not exist? Can he claim to know everything? He would have to know everything about the entire universe to know that there isn't a God hiding somewhere in some far off corner. Logically then, the athiest cannot honestly claim to know everything - and so, the athiest vanishes forever in a small simple puff of logic.
Thursday, March 22, 2007
Who's side would God be on?
Let me explain. I work for a pest control company. We are very good at what we do.
What do we do? We kill things.

Every winter for the past 75 years my company experiences a seasonal slow time. Every Spring - things pick up. We are waiting for the annual pick-up. In order for our company to be "successful" we hope for the annual pest invasion to occur.
Ants, mice, roaches, termites and other pests are responsible for literally BILLIONS of dollars worth of economic loss every year. We obviously derive an economic benefit from this "loss." Call it a symbiotic relationship.
So, this past week, I have found myself waiting for the phone to ring. I've been hoping

It makes me wonder. What does God think of all this.** After all, these are His creatures we are killing. He is really the one who feeds and nurtures them, though we sometimes view them as a nuisance. He can even use them to teach us things - for example in Proverbs 6:6 "Go to the ant, you sluggard! Consider its ways and be wise..."
They rush on the city, they ride on the walls,
Great is the army that carries out His word!
Blow the trumpet in Zion! Sound the alarm!
And so, it causes me to muse - with regards to my current employment, who's side would God be on? I'd vote for the termites.
**Footnote: Seriously, were you really expecting a deep theological argument for this particular subject? C'mone, really? In the future there will surely be some serious discussion - but not today.